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Helicity Boson
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
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Posted - 2012.03.26 18:45:00 -
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I see no evidence that this person is actually suicidal, and not just another dumbass trying to sympathy himself out of a hole.
If you're a pirate, over the years, you will receive several "OMG im suicidally depressed because you blew up my bantam" evemails.
To my knowledge, none of them has ever killed themselves.
poor taste maybe, but it's not like he stabbed a man.
Use some perspective please people... |

Helicity Boson
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
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Posted - 2012.03.26 18:56:00 -
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Jessie-A Tassik wrote: In fact, if the Goon-vermin go after this guy full force, he might become suicidal as a result of the very very public attack
The appropriate response was to ignore it or attack him in a less public way.
NOTE: Goon-vermin refusal to "talk with" people they can't threaten makes them thugs.
It's not the goons' responsibility to determine if the guy is suicidal, or just a whiner playing the sympathy card.
It's a real suicidal person's task to remove themselves from situations that cause anxiety and seek professional help.
By your definitions no PVP game should exist because you might make a suicidal person kill themselves.
I don't think the display was very tasteful, but I also think nobody here is actually using their heads and using logic to analyse the situation.
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Helicity Boson
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
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Posted - 2012.03.26 19:05:00 -
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Kara Roideater wrote:
Because real suicidal people are frequently noted for their powers of discrimination in not putting themselves in harm's way? Oh, wait ...
The argument about PvP games in general is total crap. We're not talking about the consequences of someone losing their ship. we're talking about the consequences of a public call to harass a person. If you look closely you may be able to discern a minor difference.
it's 100% NOT YOUR PROBLEM OR RESPOSIBILITY if someone is suicidal. Not one smidgen, because YOU are not a psychologist, and YOU have no way to determine the veracity of their claims, AT ALL. EVER.
However, posting the player's credentials publically and invoking a request to hassle them, THAT is against the EULA, 100%.
does that help you?
Now get off your moral high horse and apply logic. |

Helicity Boson
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
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Posted - 2012.03.26 19:20:00 -
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Jessie-A Tassik wrote:
So, it's okay to actually attack an actually suicidal person who actually kills himself so long as you weren't 99.99% sure that he was actually suicidal?
Or maybe just because he didn't avoid you so really it's actually HIS FAULT for what you did?
You guys sure come unglued fast when the other side stops being nice, don't you? Sing for me little Goon, sing.
It is absolutely 100% ok to do whatever you please to them in this video game, as long as it lies within the parameters of gameplay set forth by CCP.
Their mental condition is in no way your concern, they chose to play the game, this can happen in THIS game, not. your. problem.
Don't try to take my words out of context by cleverly leaving out the fact that we're talking about something that happened in a video game. |

Helicity Boson
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
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Posted - 2012.03.26 19:25:00 -
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RougeOperator wrote:Helicity Boson wrote:Jessie-A Tassik wrote:
So, it's okay to actually attack an actually suicidal person who actually kills himself so long as you weren't 99.99% sure that he was actually suicidal?
Or maybe just because he didn't avoid you so really it's actually HIS FAULT for what you did?
You guys sure come unglued fast when the other side stops being nice, don't you? Sing for me little Goon, sing.
It is absolutely 100% ok to do whatever you please to them in this video game, as long as it lies within the parameters of gameplay set forth by CCP. Their mental condition is in no way your concern, they chose to play the game, this can happen in THIS game, not. your. problem. Don't try to take my words out of context by cleverly leaving out the fact that we're talking about something that happened in a video game. Exactly, they took it out of the game. Thats a, NO GO. The ones defending it are just as bad. Sociopaths.
incorrect again, the only thing that is demonstrably wrong here is that publically encouraging others to grief a specific player is against the EULA.
The "suicidal bawwwww" stuff is just sensationalist nonsense.
You don't hop to the defense every goddamned emo teen threatening to "kill themselvesLOL MY HEART IS DARK" do you?
Same thing.
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Helicity Boson
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
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Posted - 2012.03.26 19:28:00 -
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RougeOperator wrote:
They don't get that this is not a joke. They still think this is a troll.
Hell this opens a door for CCP to be sued for liability now in most places.
Wrong again, because by playing EVE you accepted the following, BINDING LEGAL AGREEMENT:
"CCP has established Rules of Conduct (discussed below) for players accessing the System and may, but is not obligated to, monitor and take action regarding inappropriate conduct. Nonetheless, it is possible that at any time there may be language or other material accessible on or through the System that you may consider inappropriate for children or that may be offensive to some users of any age. You acknowledge that other players may transmit communications or content, or access to content, that you may consider inappropriate or objectionable. CCP does not, as a matter of policy, prescreen the communications or content transmitted by each player and is in no way responsible for the communications and content transmitted by players of the Game. "
bolded and underlined for your convenience. |

Helicity Boson
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
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Posted - 2012.03.26 19:41:00 -
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Kara Roideater wrote: c) How you interact with someone who is suicidal IS your responsibility. - Correct.
Wrong, because you have no way to determine if this is true or not. Logical failing on your behalf.
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d) Consequences following from your chosen course of interaction are partly your responsibility. -Correct.
Incorrect, real life actions someone might make as a result of something you do in a video game are not your responsibility, however actions following from his public denouncement, with name, of said player might be.
Quote: e) Invoking a request to harass someone who has self-identified as suicidal and whom you are unable to rule out as suicidal may lead to serious consequences for that person. - Correct.
Incorrect, by your logic I could state that your counter argument makes me suicidally depressed (and your stupidity is making me get awfully close to that) and you should never reply to me again because it depresses me.
Quote: f) Therefore, you will be partly responsible for any consequences that might follow from said call to harass. - Correct
I can partly agree there.
Quote: Now, I could go on from there but it will be easier to leave the emphasis on this point: your actions have consequences and you don't get to disavow responsibility simply because your actions interact with some pre-existing conditions. ALL actions interact with pre-existing conditions.
Nor do you get to disavow responsibility on the grounds that 'I wasn't sure' because if you weren't sure then you gambled with the other person's well-being. Claiming that you only have a responsibility to avoid certain actions if you are 100% sure that something bad will happen is the biggest pile of horseshit I have ever heard. Just try running a few thought-experiments on that one will you, and see how they come out. It's better that you work through these basic exercises yourself rather than have your hand held as then the lesson will really stick.
YOU are making it MY responsibility to deal with people I DO NOT know in specific ways, based on a quantification OF THEIR STATE, which I am UNABLE to make, because I am not qualified to do so.
Your logic is weak, you should K-
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I mean, make spaghetti for yourself yes, that's what i was going to say. |

Helicity Boson
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
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Posted - 2012.03.26 21:44:00 -
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Istvaan Shogaatsu wrote:As someone who has suffered from severe depression and suicidal ideation for a majority of his life, I think it's pretty disgusting how so many people are trying to use this event as an excuse to get Mittani in trouble.
You people don't give a rat's ass about the suicidal guy in actuality, and this much is blatantly obvious - you just want to leverage the fact that "there's a suicidal guy" to get Mittens out of CSM. The "suicidal guy" in question is probably going to suffer more from the widespread media exposure you gave him by dredging up this non-event, than he would have from a handful of Goons acting predictably asinine.
Go shoot the Jita monument some more, you utter prats.
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Helicity Boson
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
198
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Posted - 2012.03.26 22:02:00 -
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Jade Constantine wrote:esc shk wrote: You're implying we had any form of instruction to shitpost
See thats the thing about cult programming old chap, once you've had your self-esteem removed alongside any notion of individual violition and personal responsibility its quite easy to condition your activities by simple hierarchy and peer pressure. You don't "need" instructions any more than a rat needs to be commanded to eat the cheese.
You've been roleplaying too long and it's affecting your ability to reason.
Step away from the keyboard.
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Helicity Boson
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
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Posted - 2012.03.26 22:35:00 -
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thekiller2002us wrote:Helicity Boson wrote:
You've been roleplaying too long and it's affecting your ability to reason.
Step away from the keyboard.
LOL- this coming from a guy who was banned for telling a dev to die in a ball of fire
I stand by that remark. |
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